Curse

Clawdius_Talonious · Nov 02, 2006, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Money in Nightfall is so easy to obtain it's ridiculous, I've done three quests and from their rewards and the gold I picked up (or 1/7th of it at least) I've cleared 3k. Now there are quests that require you to spend money, so it may balance out in the end, however if I could get have an eight man hero team, and get 50% of the gold (splitting down the middle with another human player) why would ANYONE ever use henchies again?

/notsigned

The Celt · Nov 02, 2006, 01:10 AM // 01:10

I think the point has been missed here slighty. We are on about a pool for hero's only. We arent on about splitting money 50/50 or 20/80 etc . We are saying that if hero's can be kitted out with runes etc, why cant we use the money they collect to buy it rather than us forking out the money.

Kool Pajamas · Nov 02, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

Money in Nightfall is so easy to obtain it's ridiculous, I've done three quests and from their rewards and the gold I picked up (or 1/7th of it at least) I've cleared 3k. Now there are quests that require you to spend money, so it may balance out in the end, however if I could get have an eight man hero team, and get 50% of the gold (splitting down the middle with another human player) why would ANYONE ever use henchies again?

/notsigned

I've noticed that too. I've been makinga ton of money in Nightfall and I've only been on newb island.

Angel Netherborn · Nov 02, 2006, 10:42 AM // 10:42

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

We assume the henchies are taking their share to make a living; they are hireling after all. The heroes, however, are not hirelings. They are there with you always* and are as much a team mate as "PuG Bob" is.

So if you can assume that henchies take the drops and gold for payment of their services, shouldn't heroes be considered the same? You don't actually pay them for their services you know. Henchies are hirelings, which makes them less personal. Heroes are followers, subordinates, and friends. Would you deprive your subordinates their share of the drops?

Just because you think Koss should get himself some runes doesn't mean Koss wants those runes you know..

He'll be like, "You want me to get them? You buy them. Like hell I'm paying for it!"

DigitalForm · Nov 02, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

Yeah people are missing the point. Heroes would keep track of the money they get during battle. They YOU would go to a Hero Outfitter where you buy weapons/offhands/shields/runes for a particular Hero and it is customized to the Hero or can only be used for that Hero. The 'I' screen could show their current funds when you pick them.

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Originally Posted by Angel Netherborn

So if you can assume that henchies take the drops and gold for payment of their services, shouldn't heroes be considered the same? You don't actually pay them for their services you know. Henchies are hirelings, which makes them less personal. Heroes are followers, subordinates, and friends. Would you deprive your subordinates their share of the drops?

Just because you think Koss should get himself some runes doesn't mean Koss wants those runes you know..

He'll be like, "You want me to get them? You buy them. Like hell I'm paying for it!"

I laughed at that. I would be like: "I take you with me and let you use my pimped out sword and you won't even pitch in for some gear? Next time I am going to go take a Henchie so you can stay home and be bored. Then I am going to take my party to the bars for their help KOSS."

WasAGuest · Nov 02, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

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Originally Posted by DigitalForm

I laughed at that. I would be like: "I take you with me and let you use my pimped out sword and you won't even pitch in for some gear? Next time I am going to go take a Henchie so you can stay home and be bored. Then I am going to take my party to the bars for their help KOSS."

Was thinking the same thing. I already handed Koss some awesome perfect gear, and now he has the gaul to steal drops and cash from me that not only just vanishes, but is never seen from again?!?

The diffence between henchie and hero is obvious. Henchies are hirelings. Heroes, like players, should share the wealth. Currently, heroes do not share it, they disolve it. It's gone. Forever, yet they still need improvements to gear and skills.

Heroes should have a "pool" where the cash is tracked and spend only on hero items and improvements. It's "theirs" after all.

All drops really should be handed over from the heroes as well, but that again creates an unfair situation for those not owning NF so really can't be done.

Kiros37100 · Nov 02, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

I just see it as paying for the improved capabilities of heroes.
If you don't wanna pay for their stuff, use henchies instead.

The Celt · Nov 02, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Kiros37100

I just see it as paying for the improved capabilities of heroes.
If you don't wanna pay for their stuff, use henchies instead.

Then there would be no point in having heroes in the 1st place would there??

CtrlAltDel · Nov 02, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

We get Heroes, yippee.

Now we have to.

Buy/Find/Equip their weapons.
Buy/Grind for their armor.
Buy/Grind for their runes.

All with the same cashflow as before, and the same storage space.

Yep, that all makes total sense.

Fairbo · Nov 02, 2006, 04:35 PM // 16:35

Players getting the gold and drops that is the Hero's share ....... I don't think so. I'll tell you right now I would take complete advantage of this if they did that, as will 100% of all the farmers in the game. Lets see, farming my particular areas take anywhere from 10-20 minutes alone. If I add my Hero's in there to help me, my time would be cut in half or even more and I would get the same amount. That is unacceptable.

Now if they impliment a way that you as the player can't touch their items for personal use, I'd be all for that. Such as WasAGuest's post about the Hero Vault. It would be just like playing with another person and they get a drop you want (Victo's Bulwark). You can ask for it but they will probly say tough sh** it's mine or pay me 100k +ecto for it. Same goes with the Hero's. If they can get money and items as drops make those items customized to them. Make their money sharable across the Hero's for that character where they could buy their own runes, weapons, shields, focus's, etc...

Personally I don't care what they do. I horde just about every good weapon I come across so I can give almost all of my Hero's stuff they need. If I don't have an item that I want my hero's to have guess what, there's something called Collector's Weapons that are just as good as the 100K + ecto items out there. Only thing you are really paying for is the skin. You can come across mods and inscriptions throughout the game that you can salvage out and put on.

DeanBB · Nov 02, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

I skimmed thru but didn't read everything so appologize if this has been said:

It is your choice to deck out your heroes in the gear of your choosing, if it is costing you a ton of money then that is a choice you make. Max weapons are available for free from collectors. Upgrades drop and perhaps you get by with a +17% pruning hammer until a better pruning upgrade drops.

Like wise with runes, use what is available and if you want to increase them as they come available then do so.

If you want to lay out a buncha cash to max out your heroes then that is a choice. Like many things in this game Anet provides a means to get by quite well without grind and players can choose what they wish to grind for if at all. More often than not it is simple vanity that drives it. The collector bronze shield is the same as the Exalted Aegis but who wants the bronze shield? (my Koss would love it!)

I realize that right now with NF being new that runes are missing or expensive but that will change. Likewise the new greens / rare weapons are expensive but in time they will all drop in price or you can farm them yourself.

I don't think we should get any share of either henchie or hero gold or loot.

Clawdius_Talonious · Nov 02, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by CtrlAltDel

We get Heroes, yippee.

Now we have to.

Buy/Grind for their armor.

You don't have to grind for their armor, just runes and insignias you want them to have.

EternalTempest · Nov 02, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

I started with 10k and my ele, + new elona armor (still "blank") and buying all the new skills for my primary ele (with signets) (she has 100% Tyria/Cantha primary skill unlock) as they are offered (1k each). I've increase to about 12k now.

Keeping every max inscription/insignia that I come across.

Anarkii · Nov 02, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by Clawdius_Talonious

You don't have to grind for their armor, just runes and insignias you want them to have.

Well, if you want the elite armor, you have to repeatedly do the challenge missions, which may be termed as grinding. (I like the challenge missions though).

Then again, that doesnt fall into 'have to' category. Its a pure vanity choice :P

Clawdius_Talonious · Nov 02, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

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Originally Posted by Anarkii

Well, if you want the elite armor, you have to repeatedly do the challenge missions, which may be termed as grinding. (I like the challenge missions though).

Then again, that doesnt fall into 'have to' category. Its a pure vanity choice :P

Exactly, however I'm disappointed that Dunkoro's Elite Sunspear armor doesn't look anything like my monk's elite sunspear armor. Nevertheless grinding for NPC armor upgrades is purely your choice, much like the challenge missions introduced in Factions.